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Počalji od Jyōtiṣī ज्योतिषी taj Sre 28 Feb 2018 - 12:52

Upapada compatibility

Regarding upaPada matching, I suppose matching means both upaPada lords have to be friends. Do SamaSaptama upaPadas fine?? Can we consider temporary friendship also (planets with four rasi's on either side).

ANSWER BY MR.GAURANGA DAS

Upapada compatibility means that the Upapada in one chart should be in trines/opposition to the LAGNA of the other chart and Vice versa, meaning the Lagna of one chart should be in trine/opp. to the UPAPADA in other chart. If they are in trines/opp to each other, then an arranged marriage may be suspected, but if the real Upapada matching is not there, it won't work in the log run. If the Upapada in one chart is in trines/opp/ to the ARUDHA LAGNA of the other chart, then the marriage is based only on external things, like the groom is old but rich, and the bride wants his money, etc.

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http://www.jupitersweb.com/arudha-padas.html
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Počalji od Jyōtiṣī ज्योतिषी taj Sre 28 Feb 2018 - 12:48

3rd from Arudha lagna

What is the reasoning behind 3rd from AL showing the place of death, in my chart 3rd from AL is Sagittarius which is the lagna itself with Mercury, which is a maraka and also Maheshwara for the chart, so does that make Sagittarius and Mercury killers in my chart.

ANSWER BY MR.GAURANGA DAS

The 3rd sign from AL shows place of death. The planets in it or aspecting it by Rasi Drsihti show the cause of death. What is the logic behind this? Arudha Lagna represents the body. The 3rd from it is the 8th from the 8th, thus showing the end of life or the causes thereof. The 3rd from Jupiter is indicative of the spouse's death circumstances. The 3rd from the stronger of Sun and Venus shows the same for father, the 3rd from the stronger of Moon and Mars for mother. So the Sthira Karakas have to be used.

Jaimini also explains more rules:
Look at the 3rd and 8th from AL as well. Usually the 3rd will determine death, but if the 8th is stronger then 8th one. Look at the Navamshas ocuppied by the planets conjoining these houses. These are called death inflicting Navamshaas, and they or the 2nd or 6th from them may give a clue to the cause and circumstances of death. this is all given in the Upadesha Sutras.

I just looked the chart of a Tuberculosis patient, who has Moon, Mars and Jupiter in Pisces in the 3rd from AL. This is a sure combination for death due to Tuberculosis and Pneumonia. Moon points to pulmonary diseases, Mars to operations and Jupiter to vomiting or throat choking. But Pisces is a benefic sign showing a nice place for death (maybe a holy place as the person is a devotee of Krishna), and Jupiter shows awareness at the time of death. Besides that Jupiter in Pisces is conducive to Moksha.

3rd from Arudha lagna

I follow the logic about the 8th house (transformation death) but not sure if you explained the reason for 3rd house. How does Parashara explain?

ANSWER BY PT.SANJAY RATH

3rd is the Pada for the 8th i.e. 8th from the 8th and will give the place of death. This is seen from Audha Lagna. Jaimini gives a lot of details about this. For example the AL of Mahatma Gandhi was in Cancer and the third from this is Virgo (Garden) with the Sun (Small firearms etc.) in it. He was assassinated while strolling in the garden with a bullet from a gun. Thus the teachings of Parasara and Jaimini are right.
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Počalji od Jyōtiṣī ज्योतिषी taj Sre 28 Feb 2018 - 12:48

Darapada

Could you please clarify this fine point. Do you find Darapada in the Rashi chart (in my case it would be my 10th House with Saturn, Rahu in Gemini) and look at where Gemini is in Divisional charts or do I find the Darapada in each Divisional charts individually and judge them?

ANSWER BY MR.NARASIMHA RAO

You find darapada in EACH divisional chart treating it as a rasi chart. Darapada shows partners in general. In rasi/navamsa, it can show bed partners. In dasamsa, it can show business partners and colleagues in career. When Sanjay mentioned these points, I was saying that darapada in D-24 shows partners in the pursuit of knowledge and darapada in D-20 shows partners in spiritual progress. 10th house from Arudha Lagna. I know that any planet in the 10th from Lagna is good for the native in giving material success. Isn't this true with their placement in the 10th from Arudha lagna. This is with reference to your mail saying that retrograde Saturn in the 10th from AL cause hindrances to material success.

ANSWER BY PT.SANJAY RATH

Not with a malefic, even if he is the lord of Arudha Lagna. In the case of a minister of the Delhi Government having Kanya (Virgo) lagna with Saturn in exaltation in the second and the AL in Capricorn, with the advent of Saturn dasa he was accused of having illicit relations and a child from a servant. He also broke his leg. I advised Rudrabhishek and pacification with the Mritunjaya mantra (Parasara) and he came out of the mess.

In the case of Dr. Murli manohar Joshi present Minister (Cabinet-HRD) in GOI, Jupiter is in the 8th house in Virgo (Lagna is Aquarius). Everybody said that bad days were ahead, whereas I predicted that he will become a senior minister and will also have an excellent reputation due to Jupiter being in the 10th house from Arudha lagna (in Sagittarius). These predictions have become true and the reasons are also clear.
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Počalji od Jyōtiṣī ज्योतिषी taj Sre 28 Feb 2018 - 12:47

Darapada and Upapada

REPLY BY PT.SANJAY RATH FOR A QUESTION ON DARAPADA AND

UPAPADA

This difference between the darapada and the Upapada is to be examined in the Divisions as well. For example, the Darapada indicates all PARTNERS. The first is spouse your spouse for life and the second is Your bed partner (s) depending on the level of promiscuity in the chart. The third is the Business and partners. Thus, the first two are seen from the Navamsa whereas the last is seen from the Dasamsa in addition to the Rasi chart. If the readings of the rasi and Navamsa/ dasamsa as the case maybeare the same, then the event will surely happen. If there is a doubt, then the reading of the divisional chart shall prevail.

REPLY BY MR.NARASIMHA RAO

Along the same lines, one can say that darapada (arudha pada of 7th house) in D-24 (chart of learning and intellect) shows one's partners in intellectual activities and darapada in D-20 (chart of religious and spiritual activities) shows one's partners in religious activities. You have darapada in Pisces in D-24 and D-20. It is occupied by Jupiter in D-24. These may be the reasons for your association with ISKCON swamis and other religious people in the matter of intellectual and religious activities. Darapada in Pisces with Jupiter in it, in D-24, can show intellectual association with religious people or people learned in traditional sastras or people with Pisces lagna or people with a strong Jupiter. (We two havelagna and 3 planets in same rasis in D-24 and I also have the same combination in D-24. So I may also have intellectual association with similar people.)

To give another example, Nehru had Venus (with 5 bindus in a sign with 35 bindus!!) in darapada in D-24 and hence he had intellectual association with refined, diplomatic and cultured people represented by Venus. A client who is a journalist by profession - he was nominated for the Pulitzer once - has Sun with 6 bindus in Cancer in darapada in D-24! This shows intellectual association with art loving politicians and people in the high society.

REPLY BY PT.SANJAY RATH

That is truly brilliant. I thought that none would ever get that about the D-20 Chart of mine. You have again proved your mettle. Do you recall that once I mentioned that Jupiter in my chart represents Sri Jagannath Mahaprabhu. During Leo Dasa Pisces antardasa, I traveled to Puri and had many beautiful days at Puri. The problem is that most people take Jupiter to mean Lord Siva or Indra blindly. This is not correct. Jupiter represents the Kula and Ista devata first. I am a Brahmin from Puri and Jupiter will represent My Guru's, Sri Jagannatha (Ista Devata) and Sri Somanath (Shiva) (Kula devata) when considered with the Devata karaka, Atmakaraka and Amatyakaraka respectively.
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Počalji od Jyōtiṣī ज्योतिषी taj Sre 28 Feb 2018 - 12:46

DaraPada

Can you please brief about Darapada?

ANSWER BY PT.SANJAY RATH

A7: Arudhapada of the seventh house is also called the DARAPADA and is used to determine the sexuality of the individual. It is the place from where the native comes across members of the opposite sex and is physically attracted towards them.

Upapada

I have a continuing interest in Sanjay's explanation of the Upapada. Some time ago, Sanjay explained that the Upapada and its second were actually opposites, with the Upapada being the beginning of married life, and the second being the end of it. I also recall Sanjay's advise that one should look at where Ketu is located relative to the Upapada, since it is a first rate benefic. Sanjay, in addition to Frank's questions, I have another one that's related. If Ketu behaves in this manner (i.e. as a benefic), what is the significance of Ketu when it's placed within the Upapada?


ANSWER BY PT.SANJAY RATH

Fortunate is the man who is to be guided in the Divine path by his spouse. That is the meaning of Ketu in Upapada. Ketu gives Kulasya Unnatim in Upapada and the family rises. Spouse is very spiritual, especially after 43 years, but can be whimsical and will also have other characteristics seen in Sadhu's. Unless Darapada aspects Upapada, the sexuality will not be the focus of marriage.
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Počalji od Jyōtiṣī ज्योतिषी taj Sre 28 Feb 2018 - 12:46

ANSWER BY MR.NARASIMHA RAO

Each lagna has a specific purpose. I give importance to arudha lagna and special lagnas of Parasara, but I give importance to normal lagna also.

For example, if I were to guess your career (assuming the D-10 you gave to be accurate), I would look at 10th from *lagna* and noting that 10th lord Mercury is in 8th in Aries, I would predict an uneasy and dynamic career in high-tech software, logic and analysis.

Lagna is satya peetha (Truth) and arudha lagna is maayaa peetha (illusion). Your status (e.g. powerful, weak, boss, servant) is an illusion, but your nature (nice, dominating, scholarly) is the truth. Influences on lagna in D-10 show your nature and influences on AL in D-10 show your status.

The 10th house from lagna shows the karma (action, i.e. work done in career). If you do logical and analytical work (because 10th is in Gemini), it is the truth. But workplace and its status are an illusion and they are seen from the arudha pada (maya/illusion) of 10th house. If one understands what houses and their arudha padas stand for, one will realize that the two are not mutually exclusive and that they are equally important.
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Počalji od Jyōtiṣī ज्योतिषी taj Sre 28 Feb 2018 - 12:45

ANSWER BY MR.NARASIMHA RAO

The word "physical" that I used doesn't exactly describe it. Lagna shows true self and arudha lagna shows perceived self. Arudha lagna (AL) has to do with "maya" or illusions of this world. I have already given a couple of examples.

Whether one is intelligent and sharp has to do with true self (lagna), whereas AL is the best to see whether one is perceived as a sharp person or not. Success in competitions and fame are things that measure inherent abilities (of true self) with the yardsticks of this world. So they have to do with perceived self and AL is better. This is why I suggest 5th from lagna for intelligence and 5th from arudha lagna for fame and success in competitions.

The 9th house shows foreign residence and also fortune. Foreign residence is not a matter of illusion or perception. If one lives far away from his birthplace, it is the truth and it has to do with true self. On the other hand, whether one is fortunate or not is based on the illusions and perception yardsticks of material world and AL is more important.

Material prosperity (like money) may have to do with both true self and perceived self, but perceptions are perhaps more important. I have seen 1st, 2nd and 11th from AL to be more useful when judging Sudasa (dasa used for money), for example. If 8th from lagna contains 11th from AL, one may work hard (physical self under strain) and increase bank balance (material gains) during the Sudasa of that sign.

Whether one has the happiness of a vehicle or not has to do with true self. But whether one owns an expensive car or a cheap car is a matter of perceptions and illusions of material world and so arudha is important.

In essence, arudhas deal with perceptions. They deal with things and concepts that have to do with perceptions and that come into being because of the many illusions of this material world. On the contrary, lagna deals with what is real, true and intrinsic. Narayan's summary is one apt way of saying it. A better way of saying it is: one deals with what is true and one with illusions. But it is really tough to teach this concept clearly. One has to 'feel' it and realize it by oneself. If you are under strong Venusian influence and are too swayed by the "maya" of materialistic Venus, you may not understand this concept or understand it incorrectly.

What is 'real' and what is 'illusive' can differ from person to person, based on one's natal and dasa influences. It seems that you give more importance to Arudha Lagnas(Special Jaimini Lagnas) in vargas than the usual Asc. for that particular varga. Going by this, can i say that A7 & AL in D9 are to be given importance for marriage/relationship issues. A4 & AL in D4 for House Matters, i.e planets in dusthanas to A4 in D4 and badly placed wrt AL in D4 can cause change of residence.
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Počalji od Jyōtiṣī ज्योतिषी taj Sre 28 Feb 2018 - 12:44

ANSWER BY MR.NARASIMHA RAO

Lagna shows the true self and arudha lagna shows the perceived self. It shows how the world perceives a person.

Let us take the 5th house, for example, which rules intelligence and success in competition. Whether you are intelligent or not relates to your true self and the 5th house from lagna shows it. But success in competition is a measure of your intelligence in the view of this world. These measures are simply an illusion. A person considered by the world as smart may not be that smart and the world may not realize the ntelligence of a really smart person. This world is constantly under illusion and we form impressions about people that need not be correct. Arudha lagna shows this. If you want to judge a person's success in competition, you should prefer arudha lagna to lagna, as it is related to the illusion of the world.

Now the issue is: what is reality and what is an illusion? I do not think I can teach that to you. This realization should come to you on its own. I can teach this hundred times, but one will correctly understand this only when it is in one's destiny. But I will try again. Try to think about it after reading.

Lagna shows the true self. Houses from lagna qualify it. Arudha lagna shows perceived self (the image of the self in this world) and houses from it qualify it. Arudha pada of nth house shows the things based on which the world forms an impression about the matters of nth house. We form an impression about one's happiness from vehicles based on the vehicle he owns. If one owns a BMW, we think he is happy. If one owns a Toyota Tercel, we may think that he is unhappy. Based on how good (supposedly) a car one owns, we conclude how happy one is. That is simply an illusion.

One's true happiness from vehicles is shown by the 4th house from lagna (in D-16, the chart of vehicles and comforts). One's car is shown by A4 (arudha pada of 4th) in D-16, as one's car is the thing based on which the world forms an impression about one's happiness from vehicles. If A4 is strong and 4th is weak, one has a supposedly good car but unhappy. If A4 is weak and 4th is strong, one has a supposedly bad car, but happy.

When you take a divisional chart and a house, understand its true meaning. Understand which matter it shows. Then try to come up with the thing based on which the world forms an impression about that matter. That thing will be what the arudha pada of that house shows!

With regard to lagna and Arudha lagna, I'm a little unclear on the following written by Sanjay and mentioned by you also: Lagna is the seat of truth and exposes the physical layer, while arudha lagna is the seat of illusion and shows the materialistic layer of life and perceptions. To me, there is little difference between the physical layer, and the materialistic layer. Can you explain how to differentiate?
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Počalji od Jyōtiṣī ज्योतिषी taj Sre 28 Feb 2018 - 12:42

QUESTION 9. The same for A9? take it as lagna and analyse the chart as such?

ANSWER 9. Same. Please also consider Narasimha's mail on Residence on the VA list.

I have one more question to ask regarding the aruda and its interpretation.

If a Planet is a functional malefic with respect to lagna but is owning a quadrant/trine wrt AL. How do you interpret the effects of the said planet. wrt lagna the effects can be bad or mixed , however wrt AL it is supposed to be a RY. Does it mean that the said planet will be a good benefactor in the eyes of the world while in reality it may not be so?

ANSWER BY Mr.GAURANGA DAS

Correct. You're on the right path.


What does the arudha mean? I'm aware of the Arudha padas, being used to determine the Maya and illusion of the world, but in simple terms this does confuse me.
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Počalji od Jyōtiṣī ज्योतिषी taj Sre 28 Feb 2018 - 12:41

QUESTION 8. Say looking at arudha lagna in D12 chart, do you take it as lagna and look at the whole chart as such?

ANSWER 8. Yes, you may do that, and this will show how others perceive of you in relation to your parents.
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Počalji od Jyōtiṣī ज्योतिषी taj Sre 28 Feb 2018 - 12:41

QUESTION 7. Do you look for yogas taking the arudha lagna in question as a lagna?

ANSWER 7. Yes, there's a possibility to do this, same as from Surya Lagna, Chandra Lagna, Varnada etc. and other special Lagnas, taking into consideration the properties of that type of Lagna.
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Počalji od Jyōtiṣī ज्योतिषी taj Sre 28 Feb 2018 - 12:41

ANSWER 5. It will indicate how the significations of that house are perceived IN RELATION to the perception of your self, as I have explained above.

QUESTION 6. In analysing arudha lagnas, do u treat is as a lagna and look at it lord etc? Or just see what planets are there or aspecting it?

ANSWER 6. Both can be taken into consideration. This is general for analyzing any house whether it is Arudha or Bhava or whatsoever.

1. Analyze the sign in it,
2. The planets occupying it
3. The planets aspecting it (First Rasi Dristi then Graha Dristi)
4. Its lord
5. The significators connected to it (Sthira, Chara and Naisargika should also be taken into consideration). TASK: What is the difference in considering the three types of Karakas)
6. Analyze the different houses from it (i.e take the house as Lagna).For example he 2nd from it will show the Phala, the 3rd the relations, the 4th the place, the 5th the consequences, the 6th the enemies, the 7th the partners, the 8th the longevity, the 9th the dharma, the 10th the karma, the 11th the gains, the 12th the losses connected to the significations of that house. E.g. lord of any house in the 12th from it may bring the decrease of the results of that house. Please also take into consideration that 3rd and 8th give life to it, whether 2nd and 7th give death. This way of analysis may be extended to any house, Arudha, etc.
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Počalji od Jyōtiṣī ज्योतिषी taj Sre 28 Feb 2018 - 12:41

QUESTION 4. What is the significance of houses from Arudha lagna compared to arudha lagna of those houses themselves? I.e. difference between A4 and fourth from arudha lagna in say a navamsa chart?

ANSWER 4. Start with A4 in Rasi, this shows how others will perceive of your home. 4th from AL will show how others will perceive of your relationship to your home. In Navamsha A4 will show how others perceive of the home of you and your wife. 4th from AL in Navamsha will show how others will perceive your and your wife's relation to your home etc. QUESTION 5.If we are talking about illusions, surely all you need is the illusion of that house and the house in question, i.e. 4th house, and A4 for its illusion? Where does 4th from arudha lagna come into the picture?
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Počalji od Jyōtiṣī ज्योतिषी taj Sre 28 Feb 2018 - 12:40

QUESTION 3. What about Arudha lagna of various houses in rasi, and then arudha lagna of various houses in divisional charts?

ANSWER 3. Each house has an arudha, which is called Pada as well. To say that Arudha Lagna of a house is improper. See BPHS and Jaimini Sutram for the names of the Padas. Arudhas in Rasi chart will represent the Maya connected to the affairs of the given houses in general terms. Like you can see Upapada (A12) for marriage and spouse in rasi. This will show how others perceive her as your wife, and this may include you. However, the real connection will be seen from the 7th house. Going to D-9, this will more explicitly show how she is perceived in the married relationship. Seeing the UP in D-10 will show how your colleagues in work will perceive her. In D-20 it will show how she will be perceived in your religious life, etc.
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QUESTION 2. What is the difference of arudha lagna in rasi chart and the other divisional charts?

ANSWER 2. Arudha Lagna is the reflection of the self (how others perceive it). In D-1 it is the general perception about you, in the other D-charts it is always the perception in connection with that D-chart. Like AL in D-9 will show what kind of a husband you will be thought of. AL in D-10 will show how others perceive you in your career etc.
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QUESTION 1. I am having trouble understanding how to interpret arudha lagnas of various houses and charts.

ANSWER 1. 1st principle. Arudha of a house represents the maya (reflection or illusion) connected to it. Arudhas of the houses will represent others' illusions about your affairs. Arudhas of the planets, on the other side will represent your illusions about others (moving entities signified by the planets).
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